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April 23, 2014

Americans Need A Debate To Decide Course Of Nation Yet Republicans Force Debate On Lies


GOP Convention Day 2Watching the Republican Convention is like watching a movie in an alternate state of reality. I could barely contain myself as speaker after speaker continued to lie. While Condoleezza Rice’s speech tried to take a more conciliatory tone, it was full of misinformation. I did a CNN iReport on Condi immediately after her speech to debunk it. The Paul Ryan speech however was the most disconcerting because it was laced with falsehoods and misrepresentations. It was very hard to listen to, but I had to in order to ensure I had valid information to provide our readership (here is the Paul Ryan CNN iReport I did debunking a few his lies).

Generally the mainstream media have been hesitant in calling out Republicans as they lie on every one of President Obama’s policies. In fact I hold the mainstream media responsible for the healthcare reform misinformation because they gave the blatant lies promoted by the Republicans credulity by making it a choice in arguments as opposed to stating that their attacks were simply lies, misinformation, and propaganda to confuse Americans. There were no death panels yet it made it into our lexicon. It is clearly not a government takeover but a private health insurance inefficient takeover. Yet it was never reported that way.

I was happy that both on CNN and MSNBC Paul Ryan’s speech was partially fact checked immediately after. The different panels agreed that he made many false statements and misleading statements. What was ironic is the robotic answers Republican operatives gave when confronted with the lies. They continued to reiterate them on national TV thus indirectly giving them a forum to continue the misinformation and lies.

America needs to determine what type of country it wants. Will it be an individualistic laissez faire Plutocratic state or will it be a strong Democracy based on free enterprise and the correct balance between government, the corporation, and the individual. My contention is that the latter is what most Americans would choose and it is for that reason that Republicans feel the necessity to lie when presenting the little they present about how they would change our country. I wrote a book called “As I See It: Class Warfare The Only Resort To Right Wing Doom” in which I covered that balance as well as ideas on how we get there. Our problem during this election is that we are not getting a debate. A debate requires two sides giving their ideas. Currently the Republicans are asking for a debate of ideas versus lies. That is an impossible debate.

Please read the fact check of Ryan’s speech below. Most importantly please share this post with your family, your friends, your acquaintances, and your co-workers throughout the Internet (Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Tumblr, etc) and in person. Republicans believe they can lie on these issues for the next 10 weeks and “low information” listeners and viewers will elect them. That would be a catastrophe for the American middle class.

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The true, the false, and the misleading: grading Paul Ryan’s convention speech.

Posted by Dylan Matthews on August 30, 2012 at 1:09 am

imageIt was Paul Ryan’s big moment in Tampa tonight, and he sure didn’t lack for passion. But do the claims he made hold up? Wonkblog went about sorting the true from the misleading and the downright false.

TRUE

Obama cut Medicare - Ryan blasted the cuts to Medicare reimbursements and Medicare advantage included in the Affordable Care Act. “They just took it all away from Medicare,” Ryan declared. “Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.” That much is correct – the Affordable Care Act contained over $700 billion in cuts to Medicare reimbursement rates and Medicare advantage. The Obama administration insists the cuts will not hurt quality and are necessary to control costs, while the Romney-Ryan campaign disputes this, but the underlying claim is correct.

Obama didn’t fix the housing crisis – Ryan claimed Obama’s presidency, “began with a housing crisis they alone didn’t cause; it ends with a housing crisis they didn’t correct.” It is true that Obama did not cause the financial crisis and true that it has still not fully recovered almost four years later, as Ezra detailed in a recent column.

FALSE

A GM plant in Ryan’s district shut down on Obama’s watch – From Ryan’s speech:

My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.”  That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.  It is locked up and empty to this day.

The plant shut down in June 2008, when George W. Bush is president. Ryan says it had not yet shut down Obama was elected, that Janesville was “about to” lose the factory at the time of the election. This is false, as Ryan knew in 2008 when he issued a statement bemoaning the plant’s closing.

The stimulus was the biggest expenditure in government history – The stimulus, Paul Ryan writes, “cost $831 billion – the largest one-time expenditure ever by our federal government.” This is false any way you cut it. By comparison, the Congressional Research Service estimates (pdf) that World War II cost $4.1 trillion in 2011 dollars. That was the biggest one-time expenditure ever, not the stimulus. Ryan is simply incorrect.

The Affordable Care Act increases taxes on millions of small businesses – Paul Ryan declared that the Affordable Care Act would impose “new taxes on nearly a million small businesses.” The Act changes taxes for small businesses in three ways. It provides a tax credit (pdf) to subsidize insurance coverage for which between 1.4 and 4 million small businesses are eligible. It imposes a tax on medical device manufacturers, of which there were only 5,300 (pdf) in the United States in 2007. Finally, it imposes an employer mandate on businesses that do not provide coverage, which will not affect (pdf) businesses with under 50 employees. Most small businesses, then, get a tax cut, and the number of small businesses facing tax increases is about five thousand, far under a million. Ryan’s claim is just false.

CONTINUED – Please continue reading the piece. It is that important!!

The true, the false, and the misleading: grading Paul Ryan’s convention speech.

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Egberto Willies is an radio show host, author, blogger, political activist, DailyKOS Featured Writer, Vice President of Coffee Party USA, Executive Committee member of Move to Amend, 2nd Annual CNN iReport Spirit Award Honoree, HuffPost Live Contributor, self-employed software developer, & web designer. Egberto wrote the book ‘As I See It:Class Warfare The Only Resort To Right Wing Doom’ based on his belief that the mainstream media is derelict in its duty to relate what really ails the middle class and the complicity of the Right Wing in its demise. Bio: http://egbertowillies.com/bio/ Linked In: http://linkd.in/TOiHUS. Google

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  1. What you didn’t note, is that the $712 Billion in Medicare cut over the next 10 years is something that Paul Ryan signed off on….actual signature and all – but he was “hoping” that it wouldn’t matter because of their efforts to repeal Obamacare. The choice to trim down Medicare is a Republican policy matter – not just what the President outlined. A convenient “pass the buck” strategy…..

  2. james hardi says:

    SINCE WHEN DO WE USE THE INFLATION FACTOR TO DETERMINE WHAT WORLD WAR 11 COST VERSUS TODAYS DOLLARS.
    THE COUNTRY BAILED OUT GM, NOT OBAMA. HE SAID THAT PLANT WILL GO ON FOR YEARS TO COME, BUT NEVER HAD IT REOPENED. THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT IMPLIMENTS 21 TAXES FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST SMALL BUSINESS.
    “The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare, and cronyism at their worst, WHAT DO YOU CALL ALL THE MONEY THAT WENT TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS AND WENT BANKRUPT HURTING THE JOBS MARKET, THE ECONOMY, ETC. IN SOLYDRAS CASE THEY HIRED LESS THAN 100 WORKERS AND SPENT $500,000,000 ON THAT PLANT AND IT CLOSED IN A YEAR OR SO.
    WHAT ABOUT OBAMACARE? IT WAS PASSED BY ALL DEMOCRATS IN OBAMAS FIRST YEAR WITHOUT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE BECAUSE HE HAD A MAJORITY THAT COULDN’T BE OVERRULED. THIS CHANGED IN 2010 WHEN THE PEOPLE GOT THEIR TURN TO GET RID OF THE SUPER MAJORITY DUE TO THE FACT OF ALL THE SPENDING THEY DID. THE POLLS SAY TODAY THAT 60% DON’T WANT OBAMACARE YET IT IS BEING FORCED ON US.
    WATCH OUT AT THIS ELECTION, THERE WILL BE A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND WITH PRESIDENT ROMNEY WE WILL TURN THIS COUNTRY BACK INTO THE STRONG COUNTRY WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN.
    NO MORE LYING, SECRETS, EXECUTIVE ORDERS NOT TO RELEASE DOCUMENTS, ETC.

    • Stop shouting (the all caps) and I challenge you to give me links to hard evidence of every one of your statements. Like most Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Party members, you have been fed a pack of lies and now like good puppets you can scream them on cue from the rooftops. If you vote for Romney you will vote for a vulture capitalist who has such faith in this country he sends jobs offshore, keeps his wealth offshore, and spends more on his wife’s horse than you probably make in two years of work. You’ve been drinking too much of the Republican Kool aid. I see signs of stimulus money in many of the Republican districts I visit. If it was so bad, why am I seeing those signs? Why did Paul Ryan actually ask for stimulus for his district if he considered it so bad?

    • James Hardi you are stuck in idiotland!

    • Paul Allen says:

      Your ignorance and inability to accept the above written facts astounds me. Using the inflation factor for comparisons of money matters in the past is the best way to represent just what things cost in todays dollars. Please reread the above about the lie Ryan made up about the GM plant closure. Enlighten yourself! Please use another source other than Fox news when stating 60% of the public do not want Obama care. A well respected poll, the Gallop poll determined that Americans are split evenly on their like and dislike for Obamacare. Lastly I agree totally with your statement “no more lying”. You need to tell that to Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. Oh, and maybe the entire Republican party too!

      • Hey Dave,

        Interesting that the link you gave, had a time line, and Solyndra had put in an application for a loan guarantee for about a year. which eventually was rejected by the Bush admin right before Obama was sworn in. It’s odd though that the title doesn’t match the timeline in the story. I wonder why? Why was it then approved when it was known that the company was in financial trouble by the Obama admin?

  3. Did the Bush era have anything to do with all this craziest I believe so.

  4. I originally signed up for the Coffee Party hoping for what you promised. You are just another left wing hack. The “fact checkers” were wrong on every issue they posted. Most of it has been covered in this thread, all of it has been covered by actual research.

    • Egberto Willies says:

      I am sorry to disappoint you my friend but I only deal in facts. The man lied. Deep inside you must know it as well. It is amazing that all the “Fact Checkers” are wrong. Luckily I did not need the fact checkers. I pulled the newspapers, I read the entire healthcare law, and I followed Simpson Bowles in detail. Nobody covered it for me. You see I know I am absolutely correct in stating the lies in Mr. Ryan’s speech which make your comment absolutely wrong sir. I am replying to you only to prevent a non-reply from being an apparent acquiescence. I will not respond to you again because for you to allow the Right to cloud your eyes from verifiable fact based information means you have a problem I am incapable of addressing.

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